A Redditor knocks it out of the park with regards to Australian Gun Politics

Ban advocates always use misleading statistics leaving out violent crime, battery, and murder and focusing only on gun crime even though when you remove guns statistically the violence simply transfers to stabbings and beatings.

Having lived in Oz and America I have to point out that the aussie government makes these statements omg no guns yay constantly but when I looked for their statistical analysis Australia’s own government admits in their studies that gun control did not make a difference to violent crime:

Gun control does not slow the homicide rate:
stats:http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/0/B/6/%7B0B619F44-B18B-47B4-9B59-F87BA643CBAA%7Dfacts11.pdf A particularly showing piece of data is the homicide rates. 1996 had 354 homicides, 1997 had 364 homicides, 1998 had 334 homicides, 1999 had 385 homicides, 2000 had 362 homicides. I should point out that the legislation and ‘buy back’ happened in 97, and there was a 7% drop in homicides with firearms, outside of the average 2-4% decreasing trend. That 7% out of trend drop was immediately replaced and exceeded by an >8% increase in homicide with various other weapons. If anything, our legislation has stated quite clearly that without treating the cause of the issues, banning weapons is completely irrelevant and people will just kill with something else. Why Howard and his supporters feel this legislation that statistically and objectively accomplished literally nothing is worth flaunting, i have no idea.”

There are scientific university sources for my argument. Here’s a Harvard study source for my argument: http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2013/08/30/harvard-gun-study-no-decrease-in-violence-with-ban/

Even the latest data shows increase in violence: http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/victims.html they often Twist statistics in order to say if it didn’t kill it doesn’t count which is disingenuous. Classifying violence in order to reach performance targets is really reaching for strings. Whereever you look for stats you will see violence is on the rise in australia: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/new-police-statistics-show-rising-violence-but-less-crime/story-e6frf7kx-1225759461492 “Armed robbery increased by 10 per cent and, although the most common weapon was a knife, Mr Lay said the 44 per cent increase in firearm use was alarming.” http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/frightening-rise-in-domestic-violence/story-e6frgczx-1226125910364

Australia has gone on to ban pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons, bb guns, knives of any type from being carried at any time, any type of self defense tool you could imagine is illegal or requires a permit that is practically impossible to obtain. Even if you decide to defend yourself with your bare hands you will be convicted if they can prove you used anything other than “equal force”.

Yes the first thing I think about when some lunatic violent criminal invades my home and threatens the life of my children is if I used equal force or not. As a veteran if you want to threaten me with bodily harm I’m going to do what I was trained to do and to think that anyone else that has their life threatened shouldn’t be able to defend themselves is frankly childishly immature. If you criminalize self defense then only criminals will have the upper hand.

For historical examples of how gun registration leads to confiscation which leads to genocide you need to have a look at Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership “The Genocide Chart”: http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm

They should know something about that.

Over and over again American Colonists insisted that Native Americans turn over their guns as a show of good will or because they were given a written agreement to be protected and over and over again those that now had the upper hand and control turned around and slaughtered the natives.

My argument is simply not about if access to guns allows people to kill or not to kill. That is irrelevant. People will kill with a knife, with a glass, with their bare hands, by starting fires, even forest fires, some of the worst forest fires in australian history were started on purpose. People are inherently violent. Violence is a language and the zero tolerance for use of the language of violence is incredibly insipid. The complete ban of communication between people with violence means only those that are criminals will be able to be heard and everyone else is a victim. I’d rather speak the language and prevent myself from becoming a victim rather than wait for the police to figure out who to charge and who’s mother to call and give the bad news. Banning the language of violence means that only those that want to have control over or exploit others will know how to speak the language. If everyone else is afraid, unskilled, and knows they are to be punished if they use this language older then words then we have a weak populace that can be more easily exploited.

As for mass killings in australia, they always say, the gunban got rid of ANY mass killings. This is also NOT TRUE you might have heard of these australian mass killings: Childers Palace Fire – In June 2000, drifter and con-artist Robert Long started a fire at the Childers Palace backpackers hostel that killed 15 people. Monash University shooting – In October 2002, Huan Yun Xiang, a student, shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five. Churchill Fire – 10 confirmed deaths due to a deliberately lit fire. The fire was lit on 7th of February 2009.[6] Quakers Hill Nursing Home Fire – 10 confirmed and as many as 21 people may have died as a result of a deliberately lit fire in a Quakers Hill nursing home. The fire was lit early on 18th of November 2011.[7]

Sure, violence is on the rise, but crime is on the fall. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/new-police-statistics-show-rising-violence-but-less-crime/story-e6frf7kx-1225759461492

32-50% of violent crime follows alcohol use. Maybe we should ban alcohol before we ban guns? http://www.nllea.org/documents/Alcohol_and_Crime.pdf

To review crime is down yet stabbings, rape, and domestic violence is up but not classified a crime because only the robbery and killing is a crime, so don’t worry: http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/victims.html

FBI statistics show that crime is dropping in the big bad USA evil deathmachine: http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21582004-crime-plunging-rich-world-keep-it-down-governments-should-focus-prevention-not

Over a thirty-year time frame, an average of about 20 mass murders have occurred annually in the United States: http://boston.com/community/blogs/crime_punishment/2012/08/no_increase_in_mass_shootings.html http://www.psmag.com/navigation/politics-and-law/simple-facts-mass-shootings-arent-simple-72055/

This fall in crime only exists because they don’t consider white collar crime such as laundering Mexican drug cartel money and fast and furiously giving cartels guns to be crimes. Own a bank and go absolutely crazy giving out loans and selling titles willy nilly till balance sheets are in a red chaos then hold the american economy hostage for bailouts. Not a crime. Bypass laws and forge titles to forclose faster? not a crime. Libor scandle. Not a crime. Maybe crime is down, but science proves corruption is at its all time high: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed–the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html#.UvzvW_mSwVl

I wonder if the corrupt benefit from disarming the populace?

Gun myths: http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

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