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Kentucky CCDW changes since 2004

Someone on Reddit linked to this article from back in Nov 2014, but it’s worth sharing.  Since 2004 there have been a number of changes to the Kentucky CCDW law:

• Active and honorably discharged military personnel who apply for licenses are no longer required to undergo training on state laws related to legal liability and the use of deadly force.

This is fantastic if you are a vet. Merely provide a copy of your DD214 and pay the fees and you are on your way.

• Domestic violence victims can receive a temporary, 45-day permit without completing the normally required training on firearms safety and state law.

This was a much needed change as well.  Permit issuance time has been known to take anywhere from 2-6 weeks, and until then people who did not have one but were experiencing real, documented threats had no way to speed the process along.

• Employers cannot prevent employees from keeping guns in their car while at work.

This was an issue with several large corporations who had policies that prohibited CCW on company property, including company parking lots.  While I am not a fan of keeping unsecured firearms in an unattended automobile, if you have to work for a company that prohibits CCW, this is a better option than leaving it at home.

• Officials are required to process applications at a faster rate. KSP must issue or deny permits within 60 days, down from 90, or within 15 days if the paperwork is submitted electronically.

Jim Wayne (one of the anti-gun state politicians from Louisville) lamented this change, screaming that this would help criminals or somesuch.  The KSP responded by saying that they weren’t having any problems meeting the new requirements.

• Public access to the names of licensees have been eliminated and access to the information by law enforcement has been tightened.

This probably came about as a result of the newspaper in New York publishing the names and addresses of CCW holders, which effectively made them a target for thieves.  This was a privacy issue and there was no valid need for the general public to have access to this information.

• Gun owners have been granted authority to carry concealed weapons without a license on property they lease or own, or on property leased or owned by a relative. They may also carry in their own business without a license.

Another smart move by the KY legislature.

All around, these were all valid changes to Kentucky’s CCDW laws, but there’s still room for improvement – namely the CCDW should be valid for a decade or more instead of 5 years.

Even more interesting are these statistics of permits issued:

ANNUAL GUN PERMITS

Number of permits issued each year by Kentucky State Police:

2004 — 10,884

2005 — 7,791

2006 — 9,956

2007 — 11,682

2008 — 16,114

2009 — 25,913

2010 — 19,808

2011 — 24,908

2012 — 27,462

2013 — 59,530

I’m honestly shocked that the number of permits issued doubled in 2013!

A step in the right direction: Kentucky now allows you to apply for a CCDW online

Color me shocked to find a piece of relatively even handed reporting about changes to Kentucky’s CCDW process:

The process requires state police to either issue or deny a license within 15 days of receiving an electronic application — down from the 60-day processing period allowed for paper applications.

Supporters, including the National Rifle Association, say the change improves access to concealed-carry permits at a time when demand is high. Kentucky issued more than 59,500 permits in 2013, compared to 10,900 in 2004.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-legislature/2015/01/30/kentucky-speeds-process-concealed-carry-gun-permits/22585105/

In my opinion, this is a great thing.  Honestly, two weeks is too long if your life is in danger, but given that Kentucky has a process for temporary 45 day CCDW permits for domestic violence victims & people with EPOs against stalkers, I really can’t find too much fault with this.

Naturally there are naysayers:

Rep. Jim Wayne, a Louisville Democrat opposed to the new rules, says state police are already hurting for personnel and that having officials process applications within 15 days could result in mistakes, such as approving permits for people with criminal histories.

“They are so overloaded and they should have the leeway to not be pressed to get this job done,” he said. 

Oh, wow, well we don’t want any criminals to exploit this.  I sure am glad that Jim Wayne has the facts of the matter and knows how burdened the state police are.  Let’s hear it from their point of view:

The state police department, which began accepting applications electronically in mid-November, answered questions about the process in an email to The Courier-Journal last week.

Officials said the transition has been smooth and that several hundred people have used it to apply for new permits or renew old permits. They reported no problems meeting the 15-day deadline or performing criminal background checks, which are required for licenses.

“We are able to adapt to any changes and have not experienced any unexpected issues,” KSP Sgt. Norman Preston said in the email. “We are expecting to see a gradual increase (in use) after the general public has been made aware.”

LOL!

Barry Laws, CEO of Openrange, an indoor gun range and store in Crestwood, said he hasn’t heard customers talking about the new application process yet. […]

Laws said the program as a whole has given gun owners a greater understanding of the rules and liabilities.

“Many come into our program thinking they will be John Wayne with their new CCDW and leave feeling a bit like Pee-wee Herman, not wanting to ever have to use deadly force,” he said.

In my opinion, good.  Using lethal force for self defense is not something to be taken lightly.  You need to understand the consequences legally, monetarily & spiritually before you think about carrying a firearm.

Finally the C-J give the last word to the antigun representative:

But Wayne said the public should have concern.

“This is a legislature that is pretty much shackled to the NRA, and whatever the NRA wants to promote, their unreasonable, immoral agenda is what the legislative leaders and the rank and file will probably follow,” he said.

Yeah this guy sounds like he’s a rational, level headed fellow.  How dare people want to defend themselves! Why can’t everyone live in a gated community with armed bodyguards watching over them?

If you want to give Rep Jim Wayne a piece of your mind, here’s his KY Legislator home page – I find it ironic that he considers himself a champion of minors and the vulnerable per his Wikipedia page, but hates the idea of you defending yourself.